"Look, if you're going to spend upwards of $30,000 on a motor, why wouldn't you get the best components?" Ratios are 1.375 on the intake side, 1.2 on the exhaust. A look inside gives you the sensation of an open air concept that could easily be seen in many of todays homes. Great info ! Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jimmy2car, Apr 26, 2010. Phone: (818) 248-2371. One solution is adopting a small-block Chevy damper. The engine may feel better with 27-30 degrees total timing (as read on the crank), but Baron says it slows up the flame travel. Im not sure what has happened to the project since but some chatter on the H.A.M.B suggests that Jon Hall on Shadow Rods may be involved? TBI injection through billet Stromberg 97 carb-like throttle-bodies is available from Flathead Engineering. He has even made some aluminum. The third-design "8BA" '49-'53 engines have a bolt-on bellhousing, the distributor was moved to the top-right of the engine, and modern insert-style bearings are used on both the mains and rods. The arms have an internal oiling system that Don has set up with stainless lines, a compact banjo fitting on the edge of the head, and a drainback plug plumbed to a finned oil pan of Don's design. Two things to watch out for are an extra water hole in the block and the lack of a breather standpipe in the block. At the other extreme are dry-lakes, Bonneville, and nostalgia drag racers who have applied modern technology to the point where in some instances it is questionable whether the engine still remains a true flathead: Once-85hp engines now produce over 400 hp on gas and have exceeded 700 hp on fuel-all this on an engine with only three main bearings. Reliefs between the valves and bores are much less pronounced than the old days, only about 0.080-inch deep instead of the old-school 31/416 inch. The home of the Ford Flathead rebuilding specialist from mild to wild. There are builders on the left and right coasts and all points in-between who assemble reliable, powerful, 150-200hp engines, or you can buy new parts and build one yourself. Recommended bottom-line street-gas-friendly compression ratios are between 7.5-8:1 on naturally aspirated engines and 6.5-7.0:1 with a blower. I'd love to retrofit my 36 Ford coupe back from it's current 302 to a flathead. Ronnie: Is the Ferguson motor allowed at Bonneville? But it didn't take long for the hot rodding community to learn about these conversion kits and how well they hopped up the flattie. Research has shown there's relatively little air movement over the base of the block. La Crescenta, CA 91214 Adjustable, Change a front-mount distributor cam to vertical drive with this Baron adapter. Not only has Don Ferguson continued to reproduce the heads, but he's taken the baton and run with it, the result being this high-grade 356-T6 aluminum block that now means it's possible to own a complete, brand-new Ardun engine with no old parts whatsoever. Seal the heads to the block using slick new graphite-impregnated head gaskets available from Best Gasket, Reds Headers, and Tatom. A new player is Gemini Electronic Fuel Injection, a complete bolt-on flathead conversion kit based on the self-programming Prodigious fuel injection system. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ). Stromberg in England is producing new Strombergs again. Don Orosco is a hot rodder and vintage racer whose restoration business (now known as Monterey Speed and Sport) was responsible for the rebirth of several significant and historic hot rods, including the Dick Flint roadster and the So-Cal "Triple Threat" coupe. Early and late distributor styles can be interchanged by using the corresponding front engine covers and cam drive. RR&C achieved this look by removing the divider between the truck and the passenger compartment. Stromberg in England is producing new Strombergs again. Flatheads began to come back, and prices of swap-meet stuff skyrocketed. ARDUN ENTERPRISES Don Ferguson P.O. Here you can find some details and specifcations for the newly engineered flathead block, not sure how old this information is? The Flathead in the five-window coupe is the test mule, and Motor City plans to begin production soon. Because the French version was used in trucks, the intake- and exhaust-port throats are choked down under the valve pockets, so extensive port-work is required for racing. I love your style Corky. You may lose as much as 30 hp above 4,500 rpm. French blocks already h, Before the SCTA banned French blocks, Ron Main was treating this one to his valve-reversal, Piston evolution, from left: Not a cartoon caricature, the modern 50s-cast Hi-duty Ford O, Chamber evolution, from left: The early 32-36-style chamber worked with flat-top pistons, The 7/16 popup piston is at 23 degrees BTDC, the point where its 60-degree chamfer starts. After 1953, flathead production continued in other countries, most notably in Europe, where the engine continued to be used in French military vehicles through the 90s. "Of 17 new records established at this meet, 12 of them were set with overhead valve engines." Get yours today. If you look beneath the dash you will spot the makings of a South Wind gasoline heater. Eventually you could build a whole street rod out of aftermarket commodity parts. What To Look For When Buying and Building A Ford Flathead Hot Rod Engines 101 Matt Murray @Irontrap Garage, H&H Builds a Flathead Motor Flathead For A Knucklehead (From HotRod Network), 1941 Ford fuels father and sons need for speed Alyn Edwards @Driving.ca, Hot rod Stovebolts and other Chevrolet six-cylinder memories Hemmings, Visit to Richard Edmonds Auctions Chippenham UK, The vilification of Leo Beebe: Ford's mission to win Le Mans in 1966 - Frank Comstock @Hemmings, So-Cal Speedshop SF Flatheads Stage 1 to 3 Mercury/Ford Flathead V8 Blocks, Was Leo Beebe a corporate villain or a good guy with a tough job? Just sold him a fresh batch so I assume he's still building engines? The brothers, working with designer George Kudasch, greatly enhanced the breathing and combustion efficiency of the flathead by developing an overhead-valve cylinder head with hemispherical combustion chambers. The '39-'48 flatheads used a direct camshaft-driven front-mount distributor; '49-'53 engines use a gear-driven, vertical-mount distributor on the right-front of the engine. Parts Only. The stock flathead oiling system is marginal for performance use. The Thickstun two-carb high-rise intake (today marketed by Baron) is an excellent street setup and it even provides clearance for the stock generator. Not long ago, 150 inthe quarter mile, was mathematically impossible??????. All tidier and more efficient than original. Opens in a new window or tab. https://www.howacarworks.com/engine-block, https://www.cokertire.com/blog/top-sminum-flathead. When I was in the ninth grade (56-57), our physics teacher "proved" it would be impossible to accelerate to over some figure like that (138 sticks in my mind) in the quarter. At around the same time, old-time hot rods gave way to modern musclecars and street machines. Guys who once dreamed of owning a flattie back in the 50s but who had neither the time nor the money were now in their 50s, with lots of disposable income. With modern aftermarket cranks and rods using modern insert bearings, 5,500 rpm normally aspirated is not a problem, even with only three main bearings. You may lose as much as 30 hp above 4,500 rpm.. The block, heads, intake manifold and water pumps are made out of aluminum, making this a very light alternative to its cast iron brethren. Four-bolt center main cap. The headliner is a tan wool while the carpeting and floor mats are a dark brown tight weave pile all from the sewing machine of Putnam. The new Sharp V8 60 flathead cylinder heads with front water neck. These new aluminum hemi heads will bolt directly to any small-block Ford from a 289/302 all the way up to 351W as well as Cleveland engines. superchargers, which, like the heads, look period-correct but are filled with contemporary tech, in this case 4-71 helical-cut rotors. Records are made to be broken. Large-diameter, unshrouded valves combined with a proper combustion chamber configuration and piston design are needed to promote the proper transfer area from the flatheads valves to the far end of the chamber over the piston tops. He also makes a pan for his block that is supposed to work on a stock block? Many hard-core guys still swear by Iskys 400-JR solid (0.400 lift, 244-degrees at 0.050, 111-degree LSA). Doesn't anyone remember the one built by Mark Kirby of Motor City Flatheads 10+ years ago?? He decided to drive the coupe down to Daytona Beach, Florida for the Turkey Rod Run, and enlisted Phil Goller of Gollers Hot Rods to ride shotgun. This is an amazing process. Currently the most popular approach is running a big popup piston, but with a scallop on the side adjacent to the valves to keep the transfer area clear between the valves and the cylinder bore. In fact, the growing flathead movement has basically sorted itself out into three distinct groups. Whats right for your engine differs per application. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Stay tuned for further updates on this project. Although a great leap forward when it was originally introduced in 1932, by the '50s the aging motor could not stand up to the new generation of overhead-valve powerplants like the small-block Chevy. Solve cooling problems by using a modern water pump available through Speedway Motors and other sources. The old cam grinders-including Isky, Schneider, Elgin, and others-have both old and new cam grinds. All flatheads overheat, then the blocks crack. Aree the new aluminum flathead locks in production yet? Copper head gaskets are sold by SCE. Eventually you could build a whole street rod out of aftermarket commodity parts. Even stock flatheads can run 6-7 psi boost with no problem. Small logo on front, large logo on back. Brand New. The 57-inch-wide Ford 9-inch rearend (Detroit Truetrac limited-slip differential with 3.90 gears) is further enhanced with a triangulated four-bar setup, again Penske coilovers, and upgraded with a Roadster Shop sway bar. Before he joined General Motors, Zora Arkus-Duntov, with his brother Yura, operated Ardun Mechanical Corporation in New York. The new block is capable of much more horsepower because of additional webbing and four-bolt mains. He also makes a compatible cast-aluminum block. Flathead History Lesson courtesy of Charlie Clark, Although a great leap forward when it was originally introduced in 1932, by the 50s the aging motor could not stand up to the new generation of overhead-valve powerplants like the small-block Chevy. Younger guys yearned for a simpler, back to basics approach. The present-day Arduns are CNC-machined using high-grade 356-T6 aluminum, have refined combustion chambers, and improved oiling and valvetrain components. Trying to gain back compression ratio by using popup pistons may improve airflow provided proper attention is paid to the transfer area and overall piston-to-combustion chamber interface. It's been over 50 years since the last Ford flathead V-8 was commercially produced in the U.S. Four carbs on a properly designed intake manifold offer the best distribution short of todays dry EFI systems. There is also an Australian outfit, Flatattack Engineering, offering plenum-style, TPI-like systems controlled by either GM Delco or MoTeC computers. With just three mains (modern V-8s have five), a flatties bottom-end is marginal for high, Tom Roberts uses a 6-inch-od early 327 Chevy small-journal damper, honed and rebroached wi, Dont want to do any machining? Besides, multicarb setups look cool. "These engines look cool, run cool, and are reliable," he says. While enduing lifes ups and downs, hes held steadfast to what he likes in vintage tin, a 1936 Ford coupe. It spawned the modern aftermarket speed-equipment industry and became a favorite of bootleggers, dry-lakes racers, dirt trackers, street racers, and a whole generation that just wanted a fast car. Making power with a flathead is a fine balancing act, juggling the higher thermodynamic potential of raising compression against improving airflow through the combustion chamber. These include the '39-'53 Mercury and '46-'53 Ford castings. Relieved blocks must have the reliefs filled to use Ardun heads. With 6 Ford Flathead Cylinder Heads for sale, and options to fit your needs including custom and direct fit Cylinder Heads for your needs. Original 50-plus-year-old blocks without cracks are getting scarce. The heads and valve covers are made from 356 T6 aluminum, far superior to the alloy used back in the day. Somewhere in the middle is the largest group: Potential street rodders who just want reasonably fast hot rods without having a cookie-cutter, 1-800-car. In 1947, long before Zora Arkus-Duntov became famous for his work developing the Corvette and performance Chevrolet parts, he and his brother Yura designed what has been considered the ultimate flathead performance mod-turning the engine into an overhead-valve hemi. Story and Photos by Zac Parks Check out more from Zac on his Instagram Account: @wiredcustoms.va When shopping for the right Flathead for your traditional Hotrod, knowledge is power. And Don has rimmed the valve cover with an O-ring for leak-free sealing. SPAL supplied the 16-inch electric fan, Powermaster supplied the starter, and the custom alternator runs off the blower drive all masterfully handled by RR&C, which also made the custom air cleaner. These second-design 38 1/2-48 blocks (often referred to as 59A castings) retained an integral cast-in bellhousing, used a distributor that mounts flush to the front cover with a horizontal shaft on the front of the engine and had insert-style main bearings but still used full-floating rod bearings (one bearing shell for each rod pair). There are several reasons for developing a new aluminum block for the Flathead. Fabled Stromberg 97 carbs are back, but you can also upgrade to modern Holley four-barrels or even electronic-fuel-injection systems. The body has an assortment of mild changes but we feel they are well measured as the coupe has a great stance and the appropriate hot rod look. We have continually grown and expanded our engine services. Orosco had 30 sets made, sold all but two (one set is on the So-Cal coupe), and realized the undertaking was more than he wanted to continue. Tony Baron runs 10 degrees of base timing and 23 degrees max at full advance. Also, what does "wet jackets" mean? The new old cars got a lot of attention. -Shadow Rods original cost of reverse engineering the Ford Flathead block was almost $50,000. There are builders on the left and right coasts and all points in-between who assemble reliable, powerful, 150-200hp engines, or you can buy new parts and build one yourself. You need to know the differences and which one is right for your build. You need lots of timing to make a flathead run. Ground with a 114-degree LSA and 112-degree intake centerline, it has 0.395-inch lift and 234 degrees duration at 0.050. Blower Kits. The new block is capable of much more horsepower because of additional webbing and four-bolt mains. K&F Show #259: The Dukes of Star Trek; Dukes Review S2E12 Arrest Jesse Duke. It was at this point in the journey when Ben York, of Roseville Rod & Custom (RR&C) in Roseville, California, entered and he and Amie linked up. TMCP #537: Ask Rick Lessons Learned to Promote (or Dismiss) Employees; Plus an Easter Project Car Review Blowout! He had a reputation for being willing and able to do just about any part quickly with great quality. Like all fads, once started, the process fed itself. Copyright 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. The 270-F, Tatoms best all-around cam, is said to work well on normally aspirated or blown, stick, or automatic cars, with good idle quality and 18-19 inches of vacuum. And, how about 382 hp at 5,300 rpm, roughly four times that of a stock Flathead? The blown motors make another 50 hp at an easy-to-live-with 5 pounds of boost. He offers spark plug tubes in two diameters: a reproduction of the originals, which will fit the original plugs, and a new style, narrower tube that accepts contemporary plugs and offers a little more room to clear the rockers, should you want to get more radical with the lift. All new design for 2019 is based on one of our favorite builds the blown, Ardun flathead. Written by Mike Herman and Tony Thacker, foreword by Ray Evernham. Tony Baron says that a good-running flathead should have no less than 0.400 lift and about 250 degrees duration at 0.050-inch tappet lift. Coolant needs to remain in liquid form when it circulates through the motor. The story starts around a decade ago with Don Orosco, who after a lot of research and a not-inconsiderable investment, had 30 sets of Ardun heads reproduced for his personal racing efforts. Now it's 2005, and the flathead's resurgence shows no sign of diminishing. The new engines overpowered the old chassis, so modern suspensions and disc-brake swaps were added to the mix. Dave Putnam (Orangevale, California) used a dark brown leather to stitch over the custom buckets resting on top of unique seat risers all crafted by the crew at RR&C. Made in the USA. If theres one thing that we all have in common its the miles we travel and the time we invest in finding the right project. And in a sense, the flathead also begot HOT ROD Magazine, for this publication probably wouldn't exist if not for the flathead speed industry and the advertising dollars it spawned. There are several techniques; the accompanying photos show the method preferred by Baron Racing. About H&H Flatheads: Founded in 2003 by Mike Herman, H&H Flatheads is celebrating its 15th anniversary. supercharger. The old cam grinders-including Isky, Schneider, Elgin, and others-have both old and new cam grinds. Also mounted to the column is an original knee-knocker Stewart-Warner mechanical tach run off the back of the alternator; another one-off piece by RR&C. Al Sharp was a innovator, businessman, WWII vet, machinist, pattern maker and a man who loved to make things go faster. There was a time when Ardun overhead-valve cylinder heads were incredibly rare. Edelbrock, Wilcap (Sharp), and Offenhauser continue to market a wide variety of intakes. The Thickstun two-carb high-rise intake (today marketed by Baron) is an excellent street setup and it even provides clearance for the stock generator. If we were talking top-end cutting-edge technology here, yeah, maybe so. Keeping three sets, he sold the remaining 27 and then sold the tooling, dies, and plans to Don Ferguson Jr. You can find out more at Don's Web site, www.ardun.com. 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Currently the most popular approach is running a big popup piston, but with a scallop on the side adjacent to the valves to keep the transfer area clear between the valves and the cylinder bore. Austin Lincoln 337 Heads Amadeo Amie Angelo from Drummond, Montana, is a cattle rancher by trade so long hours, hard work, and great distances are not foreign to his daily life. We are now the exclusive distributors of Navarro Racing Equipment, Sharp Speed Equipment, Wilson and Woods Cylinder Heads, Dixon Overhead Valve Conversion, and a complete line of Austin Speed Equipment for the Arudn, Lincoln 337, Lincoln V12 and V8 60. Navarro High Dome Heads are designed for special high performance applications. 217 and 201 are only 4 bolt which you can see if the lower cover is off the bell housing. It was a statement, in effect saying, I am not a cookie-cutter rod.. Ultimately, there are equal-length race headers available from Tatom Custom Engines. Solve cooling problems by using a modern water pump available through Speedway Motors and other sources. Tom Roberts starts with the Speedway pump, modifies it for even more flow, and also redoes the snout to accept modern, bolt-on, serpentine-belt pulleys. Where are the water jackets for coolant? Flatheads are old, ancient, obsolete technology. Magnuson offers an Eaton blower kit, while Joe Abbin of Roadrunner Engineering has Weiand 142 and 174 supercharger setups. We have continually grown and expanded our engine services. Most builders convert the stock oil system to a full-flow design with a modern, remote-mounted oil filter. TBI injection through billet Stromberg 97 carb-like throttle-bodies is available from Flathead Engineering. - Frank Comstock @Hemmings, Newly Engineered Flathead V8 Block - Motor City Speed Equipment. If the combination is properly tailored to the blower application, you should have no real problem. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The king of adapters is undoubtedly Wilcap. There are kits to install Weiand and Magnuson superchargers, or even one or two GMC 71-series blowers. Copyright 1995-2008 Atomic Industry: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. The conversion kits are not inexpensive; pricing starts at just below $14,000. Its everything you need to make the conversion. As the story goes, the owner really didnt want to part with the coupe but six months of perseverance finally netted Amie the decisive weekend of negotiating when a deal was made and the coupe was brought home. Charles Scott was also running an Ardun at the meet, a Hilborn-injected flathead nestled in the back of his Scotty's Muffler Service belly tanker. Welcome to the web site of H&H Flatheads. He was the first to run a roots style 371 blower on a destroked 24 stud motor 176c.i. Again, like so many of us, he attended car shows most of his life but life doesnt always present the time necessary to dig in. But the times, theyre a changin and the opportunity wasnt lost on Amie. The single and twin u, Gemini Electronic Fuel Injection looks like traditional mechanical fuel injection but is a, Roadrunner Engineering offers complete kits including beltdrives for the Weiand 142 and 17, Uncommon Engineering specializes in, well, uncommon setups-modern renditions of the most f, Dont want a front-mount? For this group-whether building a rat rod, yanking a Chevy that just doesnt look right in that old Deuce, or building a brand-new car-the outlook couldnt be rosier, even better than the flatheads heyday so long as the bucks hold out. Ultimately, you can move up to one of Cornhusker Engineering's custom front cover and late-model water-pump setups.
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