They may not receive our words, but we best be sure that we give them every reason to return to them in the process of dealing with them. So speak, speak carefully, and ask yourself if the way you handle your words is honestly depicting (to employ a play on words), a man-infested with the Truth? Ive had a hard time with it and still dont like the idea. My emotions can come and go, but my faith stands on the solid rock of Jesus Christ. Theyre building big churches and preaching to massive crowds. All things are relative because all things are related to the One. It matters not how you relate to Him, Her or It, or what name you give to your god, because all path lead to the same place and there is no divisive doctrine dogmas to say otherwise. 6) total depravity, the sin nature of man does not exist. what about the false doctrine of HELL, and how the devil and his cohorts will be punishing anyone in it, so many images have blinded people to think thats is actually what will go on .. Those people are wanted. 3) the Blood of Christ was superfluous (unnecessary) to him (Heb. So many of these comments are so tragic. We are called to do the Right Thing, not just a good thing. It is ALWAYS a tell when one comes to the defense of other men at the expense of the Gospel, which is exactly what you are doing, Greg. He just wants us to remember that every one of us will be judged by the measuring stick of the Word of God. Concerning Charles Finney http://defendingcontending.com/2009/01/25/exposing-an-old-heretic-charles-g-finney/, A well written article full of sincere warnings and Christlike refutation first of all. Yes, Gods Truth is to be our declaration, but its not a declaration of war. Lets say someone is given an option of who to sing in Church. [Verse 1: Chandler Moore] If the altar's where You meet us Take me there, take me there If what You need is just an offering It's right here, my life is here And I'll be a living sacrifice for You. 10:29) Scribd is the world's largest social reading and publishing site. Its not the 50s What kind of reasoning is that? If they were right, they would be able to convince Christians without condemning them and calling them names. It will completely change your perspective on the subject. This has nothing to do with worship of the Almighty God, but everything to do with making sure that the masses are entertained. Paul McClure) - Reign Above It All Chris Tomlin & Bethel Music . Thats right, theyre been redeemedbought by the blood of the Lambbut through self-indulgent sin they will make a money market out of the world and the church, and do it, in Jesus name! In Jesus name they will make merchandise of you. This is what these people have been instrumental in bringing together, AFTER demolishing the doctrinal walls that separate Truth from error in DOCTRINE. Eventually, their conflict is resolved by sacrifice and forgiveness, which lead to reconciliation. Those who actually think themselves to be saved after they prayed the sinners prayer or filled out a decision card or were pronounced saved by some ignorant (of the Gospel) preacher are the ones most in danger. Whistleblower documents show Hillsong paid Gray $18,000 in 2014 and $38,649 in 2015. This is NOT an act of love in Jesus name. Its helped to fix hatred of Jesus name in the heads of generations. Doctrine has the purpose of purifying, not enslaving; of directing and sorting, of not allowing distortions to demonize the righteous and elevate the wicked. Music itself is neutral. Its not! What pitiful brethren we are when all we do is watch. The Rise of Maverick City Music - RELEVANT One of the country's most dynamic worship music groups revels in breaking the mold. That is the only reason He created us. leave a church over the music but I guess its alright not to come unless theres contemporary music. In Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Jada, the more I study the Bible, the more I learn of Gods character and His relationship with me. 7:21-23. Joe L. Barnes) - Million Little Miracles Maverick City Music & UPPERROOM (Feat. Your words are so wise Alison Jones: I am a Christian living in South Wales, UK, and ha Annie G.: It is not wrong to consecrate a day for the Lord, Greg: I agree. Grow up. I would even dare church leaders to stand up on the pulpit one day without the worship team and tell them to begin worship. You are misquoting scripture and not taking in the whole doctrine. The Story Behind "Scars in Heaven" by Casting Crowns. They reminded me of Gods love and how i am never going to be alone. I choose not to buy their music, because that music goes to support the music, but the church as well. God asks, But what will you do in the end thereof? If we fail at discerning the true appraisal value of these things in Gods eyes, we will have fallen under the sword of Gods enemies from which we were once delivered (Rom.5:8-10). Google decided my blog (formerly Sling and Stone), didnt belong on their website and took it down, acting like it was for non payment, when I tried desperately to pay their silly little fee. Today I'm answering a question about Maverick City Music and looking a. Swimming pools etc. Maverick City Music recently released an album with Elevation Worship, the music band at Steven Furtick's Elevation Church. The unbiblical content of Hillsong music is not so much in the particular words, as many of them sound pretty good, I used to sing them with great enthusiasm, but it comes in the mindset, as pointed out many years ago by a old godly saint, too many personnel pronouns, too many I, me, mine, Many just stand around, take a sip from their lattes and enjoy the show. If you dont understand the corruption of the Music Industry here, watch this: Read our White Paper of the New Apostolic Reformation/Dominionism andthe Word of Faith Movement, Amy Grant, Bethel Church, Bill Johnson, Brian Houston, Contemporary Christian music, Dan Haseltine, Heresy, Hillsong, Hyper-charismatic, Jars of Clay, Jesus Culture, Learning the Path, Prosperity gospel, Word of Faith. The Story Behind "Run To The Father" by Matt Maher. See also verse 14, same chapter. By listening to the lyrics. 6:6] Those who worship God must do so in spirit and in truth. Straight up scripture. Theyll detect that in a heartbeat and run from the Gospel you should be working to gain a hearing for as fast as they can. . And thus, the mantra coined was, Doctrine Divides! and those that tenaciously hold to its dogma are divisive and should be dismissed from these conversations. What brings us together, and that sound that is vivaciously . People like Scott have no interest in glorifying the Lord Jesus, only in perpetuating the myths of the current day church scene. Read the Youtube comments and know the use of "repetition" is not like by a lot of people. Let Jesus sort out the rest. Official Music Video for "You Hold It All Together" featuring Chandler Moore and Elyssa Smith by Maverick City Music and UPPERROOM! Where it gets iffy is that Hillsong, Bethel, and Jesus Culture is they preach false gospels and proclaim heresies from the pulpit. The balance of prohibitions against judging, (when the whole counsel of God is observed and obeyed), is to confront lovingly without taking assumed position that WE are THE Judge of the living and the dead. . Well isnt that an intelligent response. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. CCM is not better with its abominable melody, harmony, counterpoint, and rhythm. At what point does it become old? They would be lost. So lets look at the congregants at Hillsong Australia (Brian Houston) and Parkside Church of Cleveland (Alistair Begg). Emergent Church This will always be the result of the altar call that originated with CGF along with the sinners prayer not matter how it is modified, improved, enhanced, or made acceptable to those who are being deceived by it ON PURPOSE by those who inflict it upon you. How many of those churches repent and convert? Jesus said He would build His Church without their help. At conversion, he is crucified with Christ. 18 is already past. Hillsongs music still reflects their theology, and it is still endorsing a group that preaches the Word of Faith heresy and false Prosperity Gospel. Thus sayeth the Lord, 7) after salvation the new Christian never commits another sin (sinless perfection Better yet, ask Godhonestly. was repentance a momentary thing that passed quickly, or is it with you still to this day? As a rule of thumb, anything with the word CULTURE, SOCIAL and POLITICS linked in any way to Christianity or Jesus warrants a huge red flag. Oh, and go take a look at the mass of moderns that stand in desperate need of the healing message of the gospel, dying every day, in their sins While you all bicker about why we shouldnt sing Jesus, Lover of my Soul. But you would hamstring the church into silence and not allow any warning to anyone about anything, all the while claiming the high ground of love in direct contradiction to the instructions of Scripture. Dominionism (NAR) Chuck Butler, Maryanne J. George, Dante Bowe & Aaron Moses) - I Thank God PREVIOUS NEXT Comments Eric I have a quick question on your thoughts on the interlude where they say " 'The Testimony of Jesus is the Sprit of Prophecy', That means what He did for another, He can do it again". Music is a language, music produce to its listeners emotions that speak louder than the lyrics. Many celebrities are a part of this denomination. Jesus tested this womans honesty about the way she was living that did not beat around the bush. Maverick City Music, Vol. We are called to renounce the hidden things of dishonesty [and darkness], (v.2a) and to be careful not to handle the Word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the Truth commending ourselves to every manss conscience in the sight of God.(v.2b,c ). Secondly, while I agree that a footnote on the percentage of CCM artist who are gay might have been helpful, the contextual aura of the statement (if youll pardon my use of the term), is probably more inclined to mean 50% of those in CCM are pro-gay advocates > meaning (to varying degrees of course), that they have no problem accepting that gays can be Christians too; that they should have a right to be married and all the rest. You cant people these days to feel they can worship without these addictive songs. And when the saved find more in common on critical moral issues with the lost than they do with the Lord, the saved and spiritually-minded, they forfeit, knowingly or unknowingly, the influence and power of the Spirit they grieve (Eph.4:30; 1Thess.5:19). 2Thess. The denomination has 100,000 weekly attenders. Recently, they have collaborated with other artists such as Elevation Worship, Chandler Moore, and Brandon lake to produce music. No more division, lets go to the Word and let it speak for itself. It is the definition of the problem. Jars of Clays singer and songwriter, Dan Haseltine, said, I just dont see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage. Adding Christian lyrics to this demonic style of music is like puting perfume over excrement to try to make it smell good, Unfortunately, a lot of people believe that God will be pleased with that. Wow, You know, this back and forth strikes me as very King-of-the-Hill. Read your own first post again and tell me SPECIFICALLY how anyone should conclude the things in your second post. Ukulelemike, I agree that the vast majority of CCM and Contemporary Worship is unbiblical, due to the dearth of solid lyrics. With all that understood, attacking the issue of homosexuality being mainstreamed in the cult of culture, our public schools and institutions is one thing. The worst part is people are spending more time taking the music and using this as a foundation over Scripture. I simply said that if accusations are to be leveled against them, those accusations need to be substantiated. In 2019, Hillsong paid Gray $14,178 (AUD). So finally weve arrived at the juxtaposed truths of being called to judge without being condemnatory or falling into judgmental-ISM. Making Righteous judgments is an activity, not a mentality. There is a highway of holiness, so to speak that Isa.35:8 describes as a road where only those walking in the ways of holiness can abide. 3:6 tells us to withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly, contrary to the Gospel. If you make a statement as outrageous as you did at least back it up with some facts. I suppose you would say that Handels Messiah is an unbiblical mixture of the worlds music with Gods message. In fact, you would have to say that because Handels music was contemporary, bearing great resemblance to any of the other classical composers of the time. So all I can do as a believer and follower of Christ is obey His word. Music (582) Mysterianism (16) Mysticism (54) Nagel, Thomas (27) Nationalism (3) Naturalism (42) Negative Theology (1) Negativity (10) Nelson, Leonard (1) New Testament (34) Nietzsche (59) Nihilism (11) This is how Gods Truth makes the wisdom of this world foolishness. (1Cor.1:18-2;8). 5) man can approach God if he chooses to (Rom. Just sit back and enjoy the show. They are divesting themselves of doctrinal stances to stand with world, deceived into thinking that will make the world a better place. Somebody please tell me how we can be so deceived as to sing lies back to God and call in contemporary worship? Errant beliefs are the progeny of nearly a half-century of this kind of music. Related Posts. For a church to sing in worship a song by Hillsong or Bethel does not in anyway support that churchs beliefs unless the words themselves are heretical. The winner is still standing on a pile of dirt in the middle of an insignificant childish battleground and everyones nose is bloody and all eyes are black including Christs. It can almost exclusively be attributed to their music program. So these songs became the mantra of a movement that called all denominations together regardless of the breaches over doctrinal imperatives. Tabernacle that separated the Court of Women from the men. So now toLearning the Paths post. SO wouldnt feeling something during worshiping a good thing. It belongs to God and it should never be how we feel. 6:1-6;2 Tim. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. We reject the evil and cling to the good. did you find yourself back in the same sins you were in before you were saved and enjoying them even more? The music is poisoned at its source. Gentlemen: I apologize for butting into your conversation. But this is just a smear. I believe there were wrong and deceptive [maybe unrealized?] Amen. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. The performance is almost perfect, the lights, loud music, and attention given by the worship leader are exactly like they do at secular concerts. I urge you to watch them anyway. Listen with Music Unlimited. But after reading through much of this sparing match, I felt moved of God to offer what I trust will be some Biblical wisdom. Its all about the me society that has sprung up over the last 75 or so years. Maverick City Music & UPPERROOM (Feat. Not only do I find a lot of Christian music lacking in theology, it is self centered on the individual rather than Christ, but the Christian radio stations themselves are rough to listen to. This comes out not only in their music, but at their concerts (I will discuss this further later on). So yes, it matters what these people promote to be true. 13:3-9. Worship songs typically don't have a very long lifespan, but a few favorites like "How Great Is Our God" and "In Christ Alone" make it to the CCLI top 100 and stay there. All other roads are less than holy and do not all lead to the same place. Yet, much CCM has those blowing the trumpet of unifying the worlds religions and spiritualities together for a blended whole. God calls it syncretism and He hates it. Now profiting from the gispel i cannot see anywhere in the bible, unless someone can show me. A lot of rock music composers acknowledge receiving their inspiration from the devil. But isnt feeling God a huge part of being a christian. The arguments in this article are weak, relying on the fallacy of guilt by association. Pulpits failing on those and similar issues hold the lions share of responsibility for dropping the ball on that. All matters of life are to be determined by Gods word as directed by the Holy Spirit, anyone, any words that violate Gods word are to be judged and appropriate action, that His word says is to be taken. New Age my attitude response in 2 Tim. ..they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh..; the carnal mind I would say yes. But you can reach me at pastorgreg55@gmai.com. When people cry or are on their knees when worshipping does that mean they are not worshiping God cause they are feeling emotions?? . And when we incorporate that music into the worship of the church, we become complicit in their sin. For the most hateful act anyone can commit against another human being is to know the Truth that will set them free, save them from eternal separation from God, and speak it not. Brandon Lake) - Talking to Jesus Elevation Worship & Maverick City Music (Feat. Who will replace retiring Rick Warren at Saddlebacks Helm? And while Ill admit that the family of CCM artists are NOT the church per se, ALL of them (no poll statistics necessary) claim to be speaking, singing, writing, or advocating for God as Gods representatives. So they claim they are Gods people and representing Gods ways to the world. Out of the journey to Samaria came a saved prostitute; through whose testimony a whole town full of men who may even have been some of her customers believed. Jesus walked nearly 112 miles out of His way because Hed been told by His father that He had a divine appointment the Father had booked for Him. Wisdom is found in the uncompromised doctrines!!! Was recently convicted about You made the comment that 50% of worship singers are gay with absolutely nothing to back up an obviously incorrect statement that you pulled out of who knows where. Some of the videos are disturbing to watch. To put it succinctly, Maverick City Music is the audience on stage. Contemplative Prayer They fulfill Ezekiel 4:12, And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. (Eze 4:12). Your interpretation of each line is based on your understanding and might not necessarily be what the writer was conveying. Its a duty. 2 EP (2019) And since their forum or platform is public, lets put another myth in the grave where it belongs: the idea that each artist has to be contacted one on one by the person(s) making a judgment call on what they say, sing or write. Jesus said Do not judge, and you will not be judged. . What I struggle with is the money involved. Americans spend so many $billions on entertainment they can no longer discern the evil in the entertainment industry and it is all evil, as are the music industry (think Christian groups with label contracts), the fashion industry, and even the food industry. Whew, Im glad I came across your hatred, so I can go hate people and work to give them salvation and steal their misguided hope that Cares about them, and wants them to be able to feed their families. I love bethel music and jesus culture. (It's unclear whether these amounts were AUD or USD). I agree that some of the preaching is wrong and I wouldnt attend these churches because of that however I would also be reticent to condemn all that they do. Story behind the song New Christian Songs Maverick City Music Promises. That doesnt make it right though. Dante Bowe & Maverick City Music) - God Really Loves Us Bethel Music (Feat. The world is in chaos BUT he is not .. Trust him with all your heart and his LOVE will forgive immeasurably. The lost (the natural man), are still under the spirit of the world (v.12), Thus, their appraisal of the thing of the Spirit of God is that they are foolishnessneither CAN they know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Cor.2:14). Eniola Abioye & Brandon Lake) - Rest On Us Elevation Worship & Maverick City Music (Feat. The contemporary Gospel band Maverick City Music has done both, resonating with a cultural moment outside the pews. Your comment is not a solution for the ills of the church today. Amy Grant isnt much better, as she has knowingly preformed alongside Lesbians and has known about her Gay Fanbase since she was 18 without calling any of them to repentance. I sure am happy to see that you are psychic and can read every ones mind. Some are comfortable floating their raft in those waters. The arguments are far from weak, but to the point. Brian Houston is an outstanding man of God, I listen to him regularly, and I have been taught at a very conservative Christian school and studied the Scriptures since I was 8. Well in the tens to hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars. That is whats being injected into many of the tributaries that come together at the headwaters in the mainstream of CCM. Did not Jesus make friends of tax collectors, adulterers and prostitutes? Its important to understand the difference between good and false theology, and I hope you follow up on this information. When I questioned you on it you called me lazy and told me to look it up for myself however youre the one who made the statement. Dishonoring the way some of this has been handled, including the ignorant comments by those who see nothing wrong with Hillsong music and church.